Achieving High Performance

Overview

In Episode 2 of the Redox Revolution podcast, Dr. Seeds, along with hosts Matt and Maddie, welcomes Jock Putney, CEO of Nuvolum, WUWTA, and Stemodontics, who shares his transformative health journey after 28 years in healthcare. The discussion begins with Jock's recognition of the limitations of traditional healthcare models, leading him to explore peptide therapy and cellular medicine, resulting in significant personal health improvements, including a 9% body fat loss in three months. Jock emphasizes the importance of clean living, stress management, and continuous education in personal health, illustrated by his family's engagement and his sons interest in cellular medicine. The conversation also touches on the patient experience at Redox Medical Group, advocating for patient empowerment and the significance of commitment to health. Jock's ambitions for ongoing cellular medicine research and plans for future updates are noted, alongside a proposed episode by Dr. Seeds about sports drinks and a call for listeners to consider attending the upcoming Peptide World Congress.

Notes

Introduction and Background(00:00 - 11:26)

• Welcome to Redox Revolution podcast with Dr. Seeds, Matt, and Maddie
• Introduced guest Jock Putney, CEO of Nuvolum, WUWTA, Stemodontics, and Ofelos Venture Group
• Jock sought out Dr. Seeds' care after 28 years in healthcare
• Jock realized the importance of personal health for executives and entrepreneurs
• Discussed the limitations of traditional healthcare and insurance models
• Jock's journey to find a credible source for peptide therapy and cellular medicine

Jock's Health Journey(11:26 - 22:35)

• Jock experienced rapid results, including 9% body fat loss in three months
• Discussed the importance of clean eating and consistent exercise routine
• Highlighted the cognitive benefits and increased functionality
• Emphasized the value of investing in personal health
• Jock's transition from traditional healthcare to a more personalized approach
• Discussed the concept of 'absolutes' in health practices

Stress Management and Cognitive Function(22:35 - 30:12)

• Explored how Jock handles stress differently now
• Discussed the impact of chronic pain on overall well-being
• Highlighted the importance of awareness in addressing stress
• Jock's experience attending grand rounds and the Peptide World Congress
• Emphasized continuous learning and mind-blowing experiences in cellular medicine

Family Impact and Education(30:13 - 39:10)

• Discussed the influence of Jock's health journey on his family and friends
• Highlighted the impact on Jock's son, an athlete interested in cellular medicine
• Emphasized the importance of educating others about cellular medicine
• Discussed the Peptide World Congress as a platform for learning and networking
• Warned against using research chemicals and emphasized the importance of GMP compliance

Healthcare Revolution and Patient Experience(39:10 - 49:57)

• Discussed the onboarding process for new patients at Redox Medical Group
• Highlighted the importance of patient commitment and investment in their health
• Emphasized the value of 30-minute appointments and patient education
• Discussed the efficiency and success-oriented approach of Redox Medical Group
• Jock's final thoughts on being empowered to make better health decision

00:47
Dr. William Seeds
Hello and welcome to another episode of Redox Revolution, joined as always by Matt and Madi. Matt, you want to introduce us today to our new guest that's on the podcast. 

00:59
Matt Seeds
Joining us today on Redox Revolution, we have Jock Putney. He is a 30 year vet of the healthcare space. He is the CEO of Nuvolum, WUWTA, Stemodontics, and Ofelos Venture Group. Jock, it's a pleasure to have you here. And he's an umbrella patient. 

01:18
Dr. William Seeds
He is an esteemed umbrella patient. 

01:22
Jock Putney
Thank you. So glad to be here. Thank you. 

01:24
Dr. William Seeds
Nice to have you. Nice to have you here. 

01:26
Jock Putney
Yeah, thanks for having me in. 

01:28
Dr. William Seeds
What you a little nervous to be with us today? Are you ready? This isn't like a, you know, this isn’t patient doctor today. This is. 

01:35
Jock Putney
No, it's not like group therapy though. So I, I think I'm in good shape. 

01:40
Dr. William Seeds
All right. 

01:41
Madison Lepore
You're not going to get a follow up note from today's episode. 

01:46
Jock Putney
I read those follow up notes. So, you know, that's the one thing. One. 

01:50
Dr. William Seeds
Well, and you're not going to get your doctor preaching to you saying, jock, why are you doing this? What the heck are you. How did you get that? 

02:00
Jock Putney
You know what I mean? The greatest one recently was the. Dude, you're not really drinking Gatorade, are you? 

02:10
Dr. William Seeds
Oh, there's so many things we could take from this episode today. But yeah, let's. Matthew, take it away from here. Let's go that direction and see where Jock takes us today. 

02:26
Speaker 3
Well, the easy place to start off, number one. Thank you for joining us. Kind of pivoting off of that. What kind of led you to join Dr. Seeds and Madison and the Redox Medical Group? Why did you seek out their care? 

02:41
Jock Putney
Well, I mean, I think the reality is that after 28 years in healthcare, I've seen a lot and I've seen the model of when I first got into healthcare was sort of like anything that we're talking about today would be considered alternative. And sort of looking at that and being a young guy in the space, I was like, hey, I don't understand why insurance companies don't want to do things that were kind of like alternative. That makes sense is going to keep patients healthy. And what I didn't really realize at that point in time is that, you know, we're in a sick care model and that insurance, you know, carriers or payers, however, whatever you want to call them, insurance companies kick the can down the road for patients. 

03:28
Jock Putney
And I think what, you know, I, I've come to realize in my life is that there's a whole bunch of people just like me that are executives, CEOs, entrepreneurs. They're not all just in healthcare. They're also people that are, you know, just in tech in general. You know, living in San Francisco, being in that community for all these years, being around, you know, venture guys and tech startup guys. People are really waking up to the fact that, like, hey, you know, if you don't have your health, it's all over. Like, I don't care what company you're running, what you think you're doing, if you don't have your health, you're done. And what's funny about it too is you think about it, people get their health care, they sort of from their employer, right? So they're sort of disconnected from the whole thing. 

04:15
Jock Putney
They get it from insurance providers and you wind up with a primary care doctor who says to you, oh, you're going to be on high blood pressure medication, you're going to have prostate cancer. You know, this is all the things that you're just going to have. And that's just the way that it is. And so, you know, I'm a researcher by, you know, just, I, when I get into something, I really get into it. And I started to take a look around and I had a client who came back in to our studios in San Francisco to film his doctor profile. And he was on Ozempic and he lost so much weight so quickly that he's like, man, I. I just can't have this profile up anymore. And so that's when I started to kind of clue into it. 

04:59
Jock Putney
That was a while back, and I started to clue into it and I started doing more research and I was like, this peptide stuff is really interesting. And you know, I'm. I've always been in the gym training, although there were years on my, you know, my career flying millions of miles and being in hotel rooms and Having to eat food that was less than optimal, where you kind of go up and down in that. But I was at a point, my time in my life where I was really training hard and really wanting to get results. And I started looking around and looking at lots of podcasts. I was just amazed at how much like kind of shady nonsense was out there. 

05:35
Jock Putney
I was like, wow, this is, you know, being around, having been around a lot of really top notch doctors in my career, I know a good one when I see one. So I joined this group and I was like, man, this guy, I go to these ask me anythings and like is like 45 minutes of just pitching garbage and then 15 minutes of some sort of so called knowledge that was questionable. I was like, I gotta get out of this. And right at that time, amazing thing is I saw Dr. Seeds and I was like, that's the guy, that guy, Bar Non, he knows what he's talking about. 

06:11
Jock Putney
And after looking at all of these people and then knowing what top notch doctors really are, you know, what that avatar really looks like, I was like, all right, I've got to get in touch with this guy. And you know, it just wasn't easy. Like I had to sell myself to get in to like, I was like to this discovery call. It's like, well, you know, all this qualification type stuff. All right, look, you know, here's. Here are my goals. This is what's going on. So I was able to get a discovery call. Got the discovery call and they said, yeah, I think you could be a good candidate. Then I had to kind of sell myself to Doc. 

06:43
Jock Putney
I remember that I got on the phone with you or on a zoom and you're like, why do you, why do you want to work with me? So I told him, he was like, okay. And then from there it was just like, we just started letting it rip. It's been an amazing journey. I mean like incredible results. 

07:01
Speaker 3
What's the most exciting part about this new approach that you didn't find in the traditional model? 

07:07
Jock Putney
Oh, I mean it's like everything. It's like a light switch, night and day, totally different approach, and the road narrows considerably. Like things, you know, I recently wrote an article and it was sort of about non negotiables. And it just came to me just like two days ago. It's not non negotiables. These are, these are actually absolutes. They're just absolutes. And I'm not going to introduce the notion of negotiation into my subconscious mind. I absolutely don't do Certain things anymore. I live my life this way, and I really have. And all, you know, thanks to these guys, you know, I. I really feel like I've come to a place and point in time in my life where it's like, hey, you know what? I know what I want to achieve. And. And as I said, the road narrows. 

07:54
Jock Putney
It becomes very clear what you need to do. So my routine is like, hey, I get up, you know, without fail sometimes, you know, I don't really use alarm clock. I wake up pretty early on my own. But, you know, sometimes I don't always feel like going to the gym, but I do it anyway. And I don't always feel like eating at this particular time, but I do it. And I really am, you know, focused on clean eating and. And then, you know, certainly I'm using some. Some things that are helping in a dramatic way. But what I would say is that I've just. I've just gone to such a. A different level, not only physically, but also from a cognitive standpoint. Like, I can function at a level that's far beyond. And I think that's. That's really key for guys like me. 

08:46
Jock Putney
I see it now. The guys in my circles and the people that I kind of run around with are like, going, hey, what's this all about? And they want it. So they. I think now people are waking up to the notion of, yeah, you have, like, insurance for catastrophic stuff that might come up. But they're starting to wake up to the notion that, like, oh, like the best investment you can possibly make in your life is in your health. There's. There's nothing else. Nothing else matters. So, you know, people are starting to go, I can come out of pocket for that. I can do that. I can make that happen. I can make that a priority. 

09:23
Dr. William Seeds
So let's. Let us. Let me and Maddie asked you a couple things about. We'd love to. This is great when you can have this dialogue where you're not my patient right now, but we can kind of say, I think it could really help people to understand how that journey was with us when, you know, my job wasn't. I. I wasn't. I. I was fact finding with you. I was. I. We started out very broad, and we started. It's not like you just jumped into this full force. It's. We had to kind of lead you down this road and get you engaged and have you come back and ask us, hey, what more, you know, what can I do to make this better? I mean, the conversation with you at the beginning was like, you were just looking for, hey, I'm ready for this. 

10:15
Dr. William Seeds
And we're like, ready for what, Jock? And made you think. Made you participate, but also to understand that this is not a. This is not an overnight process. Right. This is an investment in yourself. And. And that was. We. We were all in. When. When we heard. We got that. I think that justification from you that you were ready to make that investment in yourself. Because what I'll tell you is a lot of people from your part of the world aren't prepared to make that investment. And it's always that, hey, I don't have enough time. Hey, I can't do this. And I always. I always look at them and I say, you can't tell me you're busier than I am. You can't tell me that you work harder than I am and I make the time. It's like, that doesn't work with us. 

11:09
Dr. William Seeds
It's like, okay, you gotta be ready to invest in yourself. So. 

11:13
Madison Lepore
And I believe you had just come from another, like, program, and you were dissatisfied with your program. You're like, it was just, here you go, here's a bunch of supplements, and have a nice day. Talk to you soon. 

11:25
Jock Putney
Yeah. 

11:25
Madison Lepore
So you had that prior experience of this type of approach in medicine, but similar, but yet so different. 

11:34
Jock Putney
Yeah, I think also, I mean, like, in that I. I recognized quickly, like, the doctors had no idea what they were really talking about. Ouch. Yeah. And I was like, man, I'm not gonna fool around with this. This is not what I want. You're right. We. We kind of walked this in. It was sort of like a beginning phase, and we started off with some stuff. What was so cool was, you know, I got these results so quickly. I remember I dropped like, 9% body fat in three months. And I, you know, started adding on lean mass and all sorts of good things were happening. And I was. And I became more motivated. That was the one thing. I was already motivated, but I came more motivated. I think that's been the interesting thing, is the progression of the motivation. 

12:19
Jock Putney
If people just knew, if they just would just get in, then you get to this point. I think you talk about it all the time, Right. You get to this point in time where I'm always asking you, hey, what's the next thing? Yeah, what's the next thing? 

12:31
Dr. William Seeds
You're, like, too eager now. Yeah. 

12:33
Madison Lepore
That's when it becomes fun. 

12:34
Jock Putney
No, it's so fun. 

12:35
Dr. William Seeds
So we gotta go. Okay, Jacques, calm down now. 

12:37
Jock Putney
Yeah. 

12:37
Speaker 3
And, you know, with all of Those other. Coming from the area where they're just saying, hey, here's all the things we're going to put into your body. The juxtaposition to that is kind of what the redox approach is they kind of pull the rug out from under you, right? They're like, hey, first step, we're going to take you off everything. And Maddie has. That usually goes over pretty terribly, Right? 

13:00
Madison Lepore
Yeah. Like, patience. Those supplements are like their lifeline. And they genuinely, like, panic when you're like, no, we're gonna stop all of them. You don't need them. And then they do stop them, and they're like, I feel better. Like, yeah, I bet you do. 

13:16
Jock Putney
Yeah. Yeah, I think, you know, it was interesting. It's. I tried to explain. I was on a walk with a friend of mine, and I. I don't want to use his name just because I think, you know, it's not necessary, but he is a pretty big guy, and I. We're on a walk, and in our neighborhood, and it was raining, so we go on these rain walks, and it's always fun. 

13:40
Dr. William Seeds
Was that after a meal shock? 

13:42
Jock Putney
You know what, Doc? The after meal thing is legit. I love it. It's so cool, actually. That's a game changer. Yeah. So episode one. So I think I did have something to eat, and then I did go on a walk. By long story short, I was just like. He's like, really? Do you really think this is, like, worth it? I'm like, are you like, are you kidding me? I said, like, look, you know, you have a choice to make in your life right now. You can either wind up at 80 years old and have the rest of that. That period of time be just. I just watched it happen with my business partner's dad, and holy smokes, this guy is just like, it's the worst end of your life you can possibly imagine. And nobody knows. Like, you see these guys on. 

14:28
Jock Putney
I'm not going to mention any names. I don't want to give them any credit. I don't want anybody to know who they are. They talk about, like, predicting time of death and stuff. Nobody knows when you're gonna die. Right. But one thing's for sure, you can definitely take action on how you're going to live and the quality of your, as you say, health. Spanish like, how are you going to live your life? What's most important to you? You know? And I want to be around to see my grandkids, and I want to be mobile. I know that's one of the things that you focus on, Matt, is mobility. And you know, I love going to the gym and the gym is like that's like my Zen time, man. I love it so. Well. 

15:02
Dr. William Seeds
I, I think also to, just to bring a point home here is that we wanted to teach you that there's methodology in this process, in that. And we wanted to empower you with knowledge in understanding the steps of building a foundation and where that can go and, and bring that value that you are actually the architect and we're just here to help you build that building and, or whatever in your training journey. What's so interesting with. 

15:43
Dr. William Seeds
I don't want to say your population, I don't want to discriminate, but in your group of people that we see that come to us, it's like you guys have gone to this part of the world for stem cells and you've gone to this part of the world for gene therapy and you've gone to get this treatment and, or some new, you know, type of manual treatment or something like brain therapy or things that are just these new processes and, but it's like, okay, that's, maybe that's good, maybe it's not. But, but what's your plan? Like, what are you doing with all that? We've never, nobody can ever say that. They're, they're just piecemealing and looking at things and it's like, well, my gosh, you can't accomplish anything if you don't have a plan. 

16:40
Dr. William Seeds
You don't understand what you're, why and what are your goals with that process and do, are they all leading to the same place? 

16:50
Jock Putney
Does that make, I mean, I think that's why we connected so quickly is because I'm a plan driven guy and I was like, hey, I want, you know, this is what I want to accomplish. And like, hey, we've got a plan for that. We, you know, we can work with you on an individual basis. That's one of the things I loved was it wasn't like some sort of like, oh, you know, just here, snap this Lego in and you're good, right? It was more like really tailored towards me and I think that's what's so important because I think that's what's lacking in healthcare is that really tailored approach. And, and you know, when you live that, when you have that experience, you'll never want to go back. It's like you can't Go back, you're going to be on that because that's. 

17:33
Jock Putney
Once you feel that good and you're getting those kind of results, you're just going to want more of it. But it is true. Everything that you just said is like, you know, starting out, slowly figuring it out, stripping away some stuff, figuring out. 

17:45
Dr. William Seeds
What was important and what doesn't work. Right? 

17:48
Jock Putney
Yeah, totally true too. Totally true too. Yeah. 

17:51
Madison Lepore
Letting you feel the changes so that you start believing in it too. 

17:56
Jock Putney
Yeah. I mean I had such. I remember that first meeting we had after. I was like three months later after the. I think we met in between that. But there was that three month mark and it was like I had that DEXA scan and I. And you know, I felt so much better. I mean I was on fire in the gym, just unstoppable and. And then I was just feeling, you know, happier in life and feeling like, you know, anything was possible. And I think when you've got a lot going on, you know, when you're dealing with just days start early and they end late. There's a lot. That point that you made I think is really true. I think it's all nonsense. I think it's not. People come up with a million excuses and their internal dialogue, their. 

18:47
Jock Putney
They're self negotiating all the time. All the time. And what's really cool about this process is you come to this place where you go, okay, these absolutes become truly absolutes. It's not like. And you actually look forward to it. You're not like, oh my gosh, I have to do this. No, you want to do it. You want to do that stuff. I want to eat this way because I feel so much better. And then the acid test is when you don't like, you know, there's gonna come some point in time. Time, excuse me, where you're gonna run into a situation. You're on an airplane or you're in an airport and you gotta eat something that you just. Cause you're starving and you just, you don't have another option. And you go, oh my gosh. It's like, oh, I feel terrible. 

19:31
Jock Putney
The other part that I really have enjoyed is, you know, sleep has always been a challenge for me. I did the Somna Sleep project with Jedi, Jed Black, Derek Lowy, William. Well, William Dement wasn't involved with it, but I did was on a show, TV show with William Dement. It's effort on the, you know, try to figure out how to sleep better getting off the airplane and being, you know, 11:00 at night, dead exhausted and just staring at the ceiling because you can't go to sleep. And this is before all the screens. We didn't have that back then. But sleep has been a challenge and you know, really being conscious of that, focusing in on, okay, you know what am I going to do? 

20:14
Jock Putney
And I think recently, just really recently, I've come to this realization like, hey man, you got to put that phone down, get it away from you know. Cause I like to watch podcasts at night and listen to stuff. 

20:26
Speaker 3
Yeah, you'll text me like a two hour YouTube video at two in the morning. 

20:30
Jock Putney
Yeah, yeah. Well that's because you know what the pro. One of the challenges that I, I've always had is I just wake up with ideas, right? So I wake up with these ideas and then, you know, if I start playing chess, then it's really bad. Like it's like, you know, you get on a whim streak, you're just going to keep going. So I'm just fleeing myself to not do that. 

20:48
Speaker 3
So from a protocol standpoint, as you've stripped a lot of these, you know, for lack of a better term, useless modalities out, from a habit standpoint, as you've continued to also narrow your path, your physical, your mental performance, those of started to increase, what are some of the other ways that you can start to narrow that path again as you're just going through your day and as life just continues to happen? 

21:12
Jock Putney
Oh, well, first of all, I'm pretty selective with who I spend time with. I mean like, and I don't have a lot of it very important. So I'm like, I'm, I'm hanging with the winners. That's it. And you know, I get friends who call me up from the old days, want to hang out and I'm like, not doing that. It's not that they're not, you know, great guys and those, but those memories are there. My, my life is here. I'm living in the present and I'm thinking about the future and so my life has just changed. It's just different. 

21:46
Dr. William Seeds
Well, look at all the, you know, I think you can take that back to your family too. And, and the bringing the family back into your fold is so important. And, and the time you get to spend, quality of time. And I've, I see more of that now. I see you with pictures with your son in the gym and I mean that's something right? That, that brings you back to. Really, why are you doing all these things? Yeah, right. 

22:15
Jock Putney
Yeah, totally. Like, you know, a walk on the beach with my wife. You know, it's like, how awesome is that to go on, you know, where we are still? 

22:24
Dr. William Seeds
Was that after eating? 

22:28
Jock Putney
It depends. 

22:29
Dr. William Seeds
Okay. 

22:30
Jock Putney
If it was. If it was early in the morning, probably didn't eat yet, but still. 

22:35
Dr. William Seeds
Okay, that's still good. 

22:36
Jock Putney
Yeah. 

22:36
Dr. William Seeds
Yeah. 

22:37
Jock Putney
I think those fasted walks are good. 

22:38
Dr. William Seeds
Yeah. 

22:40
Jock Putney
So, yeah, I mean, I try to be like, as you've said, metabolically flexible and also flexible and sometimes like, hey, I'll take that walk before I go to the gym. I typically like to train early in the morning, so. 

22:51
Dr. William Seeds
Well, well, let's take that another step here. How is this, how is this your. You know, this is great to talk about what's happened with you and the changes that you've seen, and we're humbled to be part of it. It's. It's awesome to be. To witness these things. What has your influence been on your family? Have you noticed that influence on your family and your friends? I mean, here you told us you went on a walk with someone to actually talk about their health. I mean, that's pretty. Look at what you're doing. Look at the influences now that you're, the, that you're having the impact on other people because they're now looking at you going, wow, what's going on with Jock here? This is. I gotta know more. 

23:38
Jock Putney
Yeah. I mean, so that. That person I was on that walk with actually referred him here then. Yeah. 

23:47
Dr. William Seeds
Did I screen him yet? He's done. 

23:49
Jock Putney
I think he's. 

23:49
Dr. William Seeds
He's out. 

23:50
Jock Putney
No, no, I think this friend of yours is out. He's a good guy. Can't deal with good. 

23:55
Dr. William Seeds
Yeah, I can't deal with. Dude, I can't deal with another guy. 

23:58
Jock Putney
Like, another guy like me. No, I know, right? No, you're a. 

24:02
Dr. William Seeds
He's a lot of work, you know. 

24:05
Jock Putney
But I'm worth it, right? 

24:06
Dr. William Seeds
Yeah, yeah, always. 

24:07
Jock Putney
So, no, in all seriousness, I mean, I think know what people are seeing is like, hey, a lot more mellow. I used to be just hardcore. 

24:17
Dr. William Seeds
You? 

24:17
Jock Putney
Yeah, just hardcore all the time. Way more hardcore than you guys know me now. 

24:23
Madison Lepore
You still seem pretty hardcore. 

24:25
Dr. William Seeds
Yeah, well, we've. We've helped you. We've helped you utilize those skills when they're needed. Right. And those are, those hardcore things are what they're what you identified with. And now you're kind of identifying with a different person now. That is capable of so much more. Right? 

24:47
Jock Putney
Yep. Yeah. My. I mean, friends, family. We have a group of guys that. From the office, you know, from the team that go. We all work out together in the morning. Sometimes we split apart. They're doing different things. You know, I. There's one person in the team that I tend to spend more time working out with, and, you know, that's. It makes it easier to load the plates and do the things that we want to do. 

25:15
Speaker 3
Sometimes you gotta base it on relative strength. 

25:18
Jock Putney
Yeah. 

25:18
Speaker 3
You can't. 

25:19
Jock Putney
And that is true. That is. That is true. You know, the good news is a lot of these guys are actually, you know, they're younger than I am, so they all have. They have to keep up even. 

25:30
Dr. William Seeds
Even better. Do you hear that? Keep up, Matt. Keep up. Yeah. 

25:34
Jock Putney
Yeah. I weigh more than you do. 

25:36
Dr. William Seeds
It doesn't matter. It's like, when you can get as strong as I am, we'll talk. 

25:42
Jock Putney
Yeah. Okay. That's. I think. I think the influence on. On friends and family, and then, you know, it's just the beginning. 

25:48
Speaker 3
I like. 

25:49
Jock Putney
I think, like, we're like, what, a year and a half in. 

25:51
Dr. William Seeds
Yeah. 

25:51
Jock Putney
Yeah. So, I mean, I like that. 

25:54
Dr. William Seeds
Just the beginning, right? Because that's always. We. That's kind of the message we try to convey. Like, everybody thinks that they get to this. This point and they're like, oh, my gosh, this is. I'm. I'm like, oh, we just got started. 

26:06
Jock Putney
I mean, that's the craziest thing about it. Right? Is like. It's kind of like unlocking a door. You know, you keep unlocking these other doors and, like, it just keeps getting better and better. 

26:17
Madison Lepore
The limit doesn't exist. 

26:19
Jock Putney
Yeah. There. I. I feel like. Yeah, I love that. I love that. It's like there's a limitless. You know, I. There are some big things that are kind of happening for me right now, and I'm pretty excited about that are, you know, outside of this. But I think this makes that a lot of that much more gratifying. And so, well, when your health's in. 

26:39
Speaker 3
Order, you can enjoy those other things more because you don't have to worry about it. I mean, you're not only relieving the stress of the cell, but you're relieving all the stress in your mind so. 

26:47
Madison Lepore
You can actually enjoy the moment. 

26:49
Dr. William Seeds
Well, yeah. 

26:50
Jock Putney
Yeah, totally. I mean. 

26:52
Dr. William Seeds
Well, let's. Let's. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I do a good job of that. Let's dive right into what you Just said, Jacques, how perfect. Perfect introduction to this. How are you handling stress? How are you handling. How are you handling the process of where your life was before? Do you feel more resilient? Do you feel like you have better. A better way of coping with things that were actually. You, you were one of those people where stress does play a role and you didn't even know it because you thought it was good. You're one of those guys who's like, doc, I don't. I'm good. This is. But once were able to show you that, yeah, you may think you're good because you're, You've got that mindset, but there are all these stressors around that are taking you down and you. 

27:43
Dr. William Seeds
And let us show you how you can make that better and then recognize that plays a role. 

27:50
Jock Putney
Yeah, I mean, stress, definitely handling that in a totally different way. And it does. I mean, I, I think it's like one of those things. I, I've had nine orthopedic surgeries. I remember the last wrist surgery I had when they had that block in for three days and like, I couldn't feel much arm and I was like breathing, it was like breathing out, right? Chronic pain. You, you don't even know how much chronic pain is hurting, is affecting you and your, like, family life. Like, with, you know, you'd be short with your wife, your kids, your friends, whatever. And the same thing applies in stress. So, like, you, when you're moving, when you're moving this much stuff around, it's like, whoa, there's. You just become almost numb to it. 

28:39
Jock Putney
But then when you become aware of it and you start going, okay, how am I going to mitigate this? Or how am I going to, like, put myself in a position to actually really address it? I think what's really cool is the knowledge. So. You know, I love the fact that you guys invited me to a grand rounds. Like, that was so cool because not only is my doctor up there talking, you know, teaching all these other doctors well, and sharing too. I mean, I guess I don't know how you feel, how you see it, but I think they're really there just asking you questions at the end of the day, you know, it's just. 

29:14
Jock Putney
It was so incredible to see that and then to go to the Peptide World Congress to be in those sessions and because I have some knowledge of healthcare and just being around it was like, I mean, I, I said this to you. What was it like? I don't know, six months ago or something. Like, every time around, you just blow my mind. Like, there's always. I'm learning something new. 

29:38
Madison Lepore
We have to get his head out of the door. 

29:39
Dr. William Seeds
Can you hold on to that? Can we tape that so my staff can hear that? And Matt had to get his head. 

29:45
Madison Lepore
Out of the door after. 

29:46
Speaker 3
My guess is this footage will get corrupted. I don't think we'll sell. 

29:51
Jock Putney
Yeah, yeah. No, it's really true. Like, I've learned so much. Hey, like, oh, here you go. Book one, book two, book three, on the way. I mean, man. Like, hey, if you read those books, if anybody just goes, you can get them on Amazon, right? Yeah, anybody reads those books. Look out. Look out. 

30:15
Speaker 3
You know, at the institute, that's probably been our number one source of new providers, because when people are coming to the SSRP and saying, Hey, I want to take some of Dr. Seed's, like, official either training events or online courses, most of the time, when we hear. Where did you hear about Dr. Seeds? Where'd you hear about the SSRP? It's. Oh, I got the book. Peptide Protocols was looking for a book to learn more about Peptides. This one blew me away. I want to go deeper down the. 

30:44
Madison Lepore
Rabbit hole so you can get patients from them, too. From both of them. The Redox Promise and Peptide Protocols. And you always ask, did you understand it? And they're like, no, but I'm going to keep reading it because I want to learn it. 

30:55
Jock Putney
That's. 

30:56
Dr. William Seeds
Understood parts of it. And they felt that there was a message that they. They were able to take with that. And. And can I just. What's fascinating about this, what I've been. What I learned is when I first wrote that was a basic. It was a book I was writing for my SSRP docs to just kind of get ingrained in the process and learn a little bit more about what were starting to teach. And it was just meant for them and I. And we published it, and. And then it just kind of exploded into. We did. No. There was no campaign or nothing. It was. It was. It was just there for them. And then one day, I had no idea. You know, here's Dr. Sees living in his stupid bubble. I had a patient that was. I had a patient that was. 

31:51
Dr. William Seeds
Ended up being the. Can I say this? The publisher of the. The company that published my book and read my book and came to me because he read my book, and he said, hey, Dr. Ste, you know that you've sold over, like, 10,000 copies of this book and that, that's only like 1% of people who, you know how good that is. And I'm like, is that good? Is that. I'm like, whoa. 

32:22
Speaker 3
All word of mouth. 

32:23
Dr. William Seeds
Yeah, all word grassroots word of mouth. And, and I was shocked actually. But that, that made me, that kind of helped redirect me, I think, in focusing on going to the second book, the third book of where, oh my gosh, people are hungry for this information. I was like, let's go. And that was humbling. And it was so awesome to hear and exciting. Do you remember that when I was like, what? 

32:58
Speaker 3
Well, the point you make about people being okay with reading it and not understanding all of it right away. I mean, that's one of the biggest points that we've had to make with a lot of your training. Like the masterminds that we host, we have people all the time who are like, am I ready for a mastermind? And the answer is no, you'll never be ready. But everybody is in there shoulder to shoulder. Understanding the fact that you're just there to listen, it's like learning a foreign language. It's the language of the cell. So. 

33:24
Dr. William Seeds
Well, I, I really believe that you have to, you give repetition. Yeah, yeah. You give people nuggets to buy to that they understand and then they want to know more, they want to seek out. Because it isn't me just throwing stuff at you and say, you're going to be smarter, it's you. I have to engage you. So if I make it a little bit, you know, here we're going to get back to this basic concept. If I stress you a little bit, you're going to adapt to that stress and you're going to try harder and you're going to get more. You're going to be like, oh man, I know some of this. 

33:57
Dr. William Seeds
And then I read this article and I saw this and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm starting to get this and I'm going to come back and yeah, that's the method in my madness. It's make you work. It's like, sorry, Matt, I had to make you work as a child to grow up and be this amazing man you are. But that's the way it works. You gotta push. You gotta push people and then that pushes me. That challenges me. Like, Jack, you're a challenge every day. You know, it's like, this is how it all works, right? 

34:27
Speaker 3
You know, I came home from School one day, it was like junior year, third term progress reports or something. And I had an A in AP history. It wasn't an A plus. And he was basically asking me if I was stupid. He's like, what's wrong with you? Like, is there. He was like, is everything okay? Like, am I doing something wrong? And I'm like, oh, my God, an A. Yeah, right. 

34:53
Dr. William Seeds
Well, he already got an A. 

34:55
Madison Lepore
Happy with my C in ap. 

34:57
Dr. William Seeds
He got his A. I'm like, what's next? I. I want to give them. It wasn't that I wasn't like a bad, like a tiger mom or whatever you call those people. I wasn't like that guy that was on you. I was that guy that just wanted to raise your, my, your expectations for yourself. What did I always say when you were younger? What did I. When you guys went to bed, what did I ask you to search for? 

35:20
Speaker 3
The pancreas. 

35:22
Jock Putney
Excellent. 

35:23
Dr. William Seeds
Yes. Jesus. You were, you could. 

35:26
Madison Lepore
I was like, did you find the pancreas yet, Matt? 

35:28
Speaker 3
It's something to do with beta cells. I'll go listen to episode one again. 

35:31
Dr. William Seeds
It was, it was instilling in them that it's not going to be me. It's going to be you wanting to search for more in yourself. That's what it's about. That's. That's what Jock's doing right now in his healthcare journey. He's seeking more information and seeing the results that are working and he's building. That's. That's, that's so awesome. And we get to be part of it. 

35:58
Jock Putney
I think there are a couple of things that I. Are important for people to understand. First of all, there isn't one thing right there. All these people that are looking for this magic pill. Yeah. And it's. Yeah. You know, good luck. Good luck finding that. 

36:13
Madison Lepore
Let us know when you find it. 

36:14
Jock Putney
Right. 

36:16
Dr. William Seeds
It's. 

36:16
Jock Putney
And, and by the way, it's ever evolving. Right. As we've gone on this journey, you know, we've gone through some different things that have worked really well. I, I did say that, you know, managing stress, like, again, isn't, you know, there isn't one thing that's going to work to manage that. One of the things I like about you, Doc, is that, you know, you're always trying to help people understand, like, hey, there's some things that you could do differently along the way that if I had known earlier, I could have adjusted. But they're here now. They're here today. And that's what's so absolutely cool about this, is that you get an opportunity to learn, find out more about yourself, continue to develop. It's sort of like a never ending process. 

36:59
Jock Putney
And as you're in it, you're just able to do better at just about every single thing that you do. 

37:09
Dr. William Seeds
And that age isn't a discriminator, it never should be. 

37:13
Madison Lepore
It's just a number. Literally. 

37:15
Dr. William Seeds
Yeah, it's just a number and it's just a, it's been made to be more as a marketing tool and things for people out there trying to sell you things. And you know, I, gosh, I don't, I'm not even going to jump into that. But you know, biological and chronological age, and let's figure this out. It's like, what are you going to do with that? I mean, it's. 

37:43
Jock Putney
Sorry to interrupt you, doc, but one thing I would say to that is like, you know what's so funny about that? You think about the. You guys. What? Yeah. I mean, did you do that? Yeah. I mean, yeah. 

37:54
Dr. William Seeds
You did it? 

37:55
Jock Putney
Yeah. What's so funny about it too is I think about some of the people that I know and I go, dude, you're gonna be worth a lot of money. You're gonna be worth a lot of money. And you're, and you're gonna look at yourself on that beach and you're gonna say to yourself, I feel like crap, I look like crap. I'm living like craft and what's it all worth? So the better investment, I mean, is to start doing it. It's like I have a son, you know, who is an athlete. And I mean, shoot, he's amazing. And I think the impact that this has had on him, seeing that and the exposure he's had to you guys through all of this has been so profound for him. You know, he came with me to the Peptide World. 

38:38
Dr. William Seeds
Yeah. 

38:38
Speaker 3
I was saying he was in Vegas last year. 

38:40
Jock Putney
Yeah, he was just like, he was like, seriously, I think I might change my major, you know. And then, Doc, you basically said, yeah, I'll talk to you. 

38:50
Speaker 3
Is he coming back to the Peptide World Congress this year? 

38:53
Jock Putney
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and he wants his best friend to come. And I'm like, okay. But yeah, I mean, it's sort of an infectious thing. It takes off, people get excited about it. The more you learn, the more energy that comes from it. And then people start seeing results and they're like, wow, I want that. So now I'm having all sorts of people. And the hard part is like, you can't get everybody in here. You know, it's just not an easy thing. It's like, you know, not everybody qualifies. 

39:19
Speaker 3
That's the nice part about the Peptide World Congress we put on is it's main, its main function is to be that space where people can just come in, meet our community, learn about cellular medicine. It's not. There's no giant barrier to entry. It's, hey, just dip your toes in the water and see what this is all about. And it sounds like you've tried to be that vessel for your bubble. 

39:45
Jock Putney
Well, here's the thing I would say is, like, if you, if you can go to like, you should. Whoever's listening to this podcast should sign up for Peptide World Congress because you're about to see a revolution in healthcare. I'm not kidding. I mean, it's like, it's real. It's happening right now. If you're in that room, there's so many topics. That's the one thing I was blown away by. You know, it's cool, pretty cool to see my doctor up on stage leading this whole thing. And, and, and then all these other really phenomenal doctors that were sort of like giving all sorts of information. There was the guy that was the last year, the sleep medicine doctor. It was really phenomenal. And the list goes on. It's something that I would say it's like, it's one of those experiences. Once you have it. Yeah. 

40:30
Jock Putney
You're not going to know. You're, you're just not. But you're going to get enough information to get a sense of, and if you have a reasonable intelligence, you'll be able to figure out what your next steps are. 

40:39
Speaker 3
It helps people find what their interests are. It's a bunch of jumping off points. Right. It's covering a broad range of topics. 

40:45
Jock Putney
Yeah. 

40:45
Speaker 3
If you were on your PWC pedestal, how would you say it's been being an umbrella patient? What's that process been like for you? 

40:54
Jock Putney
Next level. 

40:56
Dr. William Seeds
Good. 

40:57
Jock Putney
What? I guess it's the ultimate level, because I don't think there's anything else in healthcare that is like that. After 28 years of being around it, unless you're really sick and you're in some sort of like, really terrible situation, I don't think you're ever going to experience anything like that. To be an umbrella patient, to have access to that kind of level of knowledge is like, it's like, and the other thing that I've learned in watching all of this stuff, I mean, ooh, there are some people out there, man, that are really on some stuff. They're really saying some things. They don't really know what they're talking about. That's one thing I've really learned. Pretty scary. 

41:36
Jock Putney
And I think one of the things that I really am concerned with just for people in general are like these people that are using research chemicals or going to research chemical companies to buy their peptides. Whoa, dude. 

41:48
Madison Lepore
That say not intended for human use on them. 

41:51
Jock Putney
Yeah, bad idea. Like it. And I don't. What I think, what I have come to believe is that I don't, you know, I mean I, I own a stem cell banking company. 

42:03
Dr. William Seeds
Right. 

42:03
Jock Putney
So I know what GMP compliant is. We do that. And what I would say is you. I think there are a lot of people that are just jumping on this bandwagon that are just in it just to make a bunch of money and they want to just do stuff on social media and talk about a bunch of stuff that they don't really know about. And I think it's super dangerous. Not, not something that you want to ever listen to. So I, what my advice to people is, you know, hey, once you go to PwC, which I would highly recommend, it doesn't matter if you're a doctor or just a regular patient, just go check it out. It's amazing. It's an amazing conference. 

42:44
Dr. William Seeds
Well, I think it's one place you'll see where individuals can collaborate, where the egos are left at the door. Everybody has. Has. Meaning. Every question has a. Has. 

42:59
Jock Putney
Yeah. 

43:00
Dr. William Seeds
Has a real impact not just on the providers, not just on the biohackers or just the people that are just there to learn. It's amazing to see that energy and that's what makes it so fun. And everybody, it's collaboration. That's the only way we're going to move forward with all of this is everyone making everyone becoming part of this community, supporting each other. And that's how I see it. 

43:29
Speaker 3
It's interesting at times seeing these populations wanting to kind of separate out and disperse. But it really has been nice to watch them all conglomerate together every year at this. I mean you got MDs, Dos Pas, MPs, chiropractors, physical therapists, pharmacists, even ass. Yeah. 

43:47
Jock Putney
Personal trainers. 

43:48
Dr. William Seeds
Yeah. Strength coaches. 

43:50
Madison Lepore
But everyone is just passionate about health and aging. 

43:55
Dr. William Seeds
Better soccer moms. 

43:57
Speaker 3
There's no barrier to entry, to want to learn Yep. 

44:01
Jock Putney
Yeah. And you meet the coolest people. 

44:03
Speaker 3
So, Mattie, your umbrella patients come from your existing redox population. What is it like onboarding all of these different redox patients, and what are some of the early pitfalls you see in that onboarding process? 

44:20
Madison Lepore
The onboarding process, it's a discovery call with me, and I have really enjoyed taking on that role of doing the discovery calls, because I can actually judge if a patient is going to be a good fit or not for our practice and if they are going to be invested in their care and want to take on this journey and be dedicated to the journey. Because if not, it's just a waste of time. Like, it's a waste of his time, it's a waste of our time, it's a waste of our money. Like, we want patients who are passionate about their health and who want to be a part of the team. 

44:58
Madison Lepore
And during that call, I let them know, yeah, we have these half hour appointments because we want you to be as educated as we are on your care plan and we want you to know why you're potentially in this position. And just to educate you and hold your hand, we do a lot of. 

45:15
Speaker 3
Hand holding half hour appointments as opposed to like a 10 or 15 or. 

45:20
Madison Lepore
Maybe even like an 8 minute appointment in and out of the doctor's office. 

45:22
Speaker 3
You want to spend more time with people? 

45:24
Madison Lepore
Yes. 

45:24
Jock Putney
Yeah. 

45:26
Madison Lepore
And Zoom has made it awesome. They don't even have to leave their house, but it's doing that call. Some of the pitfalls are just honestly people's attitudes when they're coming in with the negative attitude of. I've heard that before. I'm sorry. Like, I don't believe you. I tell them. I was like, I'm not here to sell you, but once I hear that, it's like, no, you're. You're not in the right mindset to start this journey. 

45:52
Jock Putney
Yeah, I mean, I think people need. I mean, look, I get to speak firsthand. If you can get past that call and you can get to that console, you're. You're lucky. Right. Because your life's going to change. But you're right, it's a hundred percent whether or not you're willing to do the work. And you got to listen. So it was like, I'll go back to the Gatorade thing. So I was using Gatorade as an intro workout. Right. And I was like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm just using this because I've. I mean, I love it. Right. I love the taste of Gatorade. I hate to admit it, but it's true. And Doc was like, oh my gosh, you gotta stop that right now. And you know what? It totally changed my training. I would say that. And that's one little thing. 

46:36
Jock Putney
I mean, that's just one little tiny thing. But yeah, it's like if you can figure out how to get. I mean, I literally did have to sell myself to you, right. It was not an easy thing, right, to get. Become a patient here. But if you're really motivated and you're willing to follow through and do the things that you need to do, then you get to stay. 

46:58
Madison Lepore
And you have to be willing to invest too. Cause that's another thing patients will complain about is the cost. But it's like this, you're investing in your health. Like, yes, it costs money, but what else do you want to spend this money on your health or food or drinks that aren't good for you? 

47:16
Speaker 3
I think the biggest point to make out of all of this is that these habits that you guys are talking about, or better yet, the structures that are in place at Redux, it's not meant to make it exclusive. It's just meant to be efficient. It's meant to not waste anyone's time. 

47:35
Dr. William Seeds
It's meant to be successful. 

47:37
Speaker 3
And the reason you can have these 30 minute appointments with patients is because, you know, you don't have one out of every two who isn't committed to the process. 

47:44
Dr. William Seeds
So, yeah, I think that's. I like, I like where this went. I think this is kind of given a little bit of perspective of kind of how we work and not setting expectations, but giving people the opportunity to find themselves and find the excellence in healthcare that is possible for them. And so I want to thank all of you for being here today and bringing you another, I think, wonderful episode of the Redox revolution. And, and there are actually some things that were said here, like talking about Gatorade. Boy, we'll make an episode out of that. We'll make an episode out of sports drinks. I mean, I'm telling you, we're going everywhere. Watch out. We're going everywhere and we're going to. It's about information. It's about empowering you to make decisions. And I think joc, that's probably the way to end this is. 

48:41
Dr. William Seeds
Have we empowered you to make better decisions on your life and your healthcare? 

48:46
Jock Putney
Yes, 100%. 

48:49
Dr. William Seeds
There you go. 

48:50
Speaker 3
Jock, it was a pleasure having you here today. As your cellular medicine journey marches on, us know what you have coming up. 

48:57
Jock Putney
Oh, thanks a million. Yeah, it's great to be here today. I really appreciate it. We just have a million things happening with all of our products and, you know, the businesses and in my cellular journey, I. Things I have coming up are. Are focused around, you know, some trips I want to take, some places I want to go and. And things I want to do and living a more happy and fulfilled life. 

49:24
Speaker 3
Well, you heard it from the man himself. Jock is aging. But is aging inevitable? And what can we do about cellular damage? We'll discuss that and more on the next episode. But for now, we're going to leave you on that cliffhanger, so it sounds like you got to stick around and. 

49:41
Jock Putney
Keep talking to us some more. Sounds like a plan. 

49:44
Dr. William Seeds
All right. 

49:45
Jock Putney
Thank you. 

49:45
Madison Lepore
Thank you. 

49:47
Speaker 3
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